One logical question is: “how bad is it?” In stock market history, has it been this bad before? When, and what were the circumstances? Has it been worse? Have we reached a turning point in the credit crisis with the bankruptcy of Lehman or is this just the start of worst times to come?
And finally, what about my investments?
Hopefully we’ll get through al lot of these
But let’s take the last one first.
Be grateful you have Bonds, this is one of the key reasons I always say Bonds are a great investment to have in your portfolios. They are a source of comfort in stormy weather. With their income streams and their government guarantees. And we have a lot of Bonds.
Now about the stuff that’s not in Bonds – the Equities. Most of these are in large companies that are excellent businesses with good balance sheets, lots of cash in their pockets, and good potential for future growth. However, being part of the equity markets, they will also be impacted.
No, we didn’t hold any Lehman Bros, Merrill Lynch or AIG. What we did hold were the sounder well managed banks – Bank of America, JP Morgan and the Canadian Banks. Due to people’s fears about these companies and what will happen to them, they also have been caught up in the perception of doom. There’s nothing wrong with these banks, they continue to make good revenues. As long as you keep visiting your banks, depositing your cheque, paying your mortgage, bills, using your credit cards and paying your monthly service fees – everything will be fine.
That’s not to say that strange things can’t happen to good companies. We believe Fannie and Freddie were excellent businesses that repackaged US mortgages and had the governments guarantee in case of failure. They were the middle men. The US government wasn’t getting paid for providing this guarantee. By taking over Fannie and Freddie they now get paid for it. So, yes strange things do happen to good companies. So, we won’t always be immune.
Yes we are impacted by the perception of doom, but the reality is that our investments are still making good revenues. Eventuality reality triumphs over perception. It just may take some time for reality to rear it’s head, as the sellers of doom – the media, get to realize their mistake.
We’ve been here before; we know how this movie ends. The cast of characters is different. In the past they were E.F. Hutton, Drexel Burnham Lambert, Salomon Brothers, and Prudential. Securities. Today’s it’s Bear Stearns, Lehman Brothers and Merrill Lynch. .
Realize that this is what happens, Bad loans are made in good times, and firms do get into trouble when times are not good anymore.
Two investment banks have disappeared from the scene - but in reality none of these were commercial banks, and neither is AIG an investment bank or a commercial bank.
There has been a huge blurring of the line between investment banks and commercial banks. Remember investment banking is a cyclical industry, when they are hot they are hot, when not, they are not.
Who brought is to this situation today, many fingers can point to the Feds and the SEC, who put a blind eye to investment bank lending activities, and wasn’t watching what the these investment banks were doing, and felt that the products that were being produced were fine to be traded without transparency.
The culture of safety and soundness had gone from these banks.
You have to bring back transparency. The products we are talking about, derivatives are not inherently bad. In fact, they are inherently good.
But the misuse of these products just like the misuse of an explosive like dynamite is certainly bad.
And we are experiencing the misuse of these products in the midst of a real estate melt down that goes on and on.
People need a better understanding of what this kind of leverage is. And derivatives really represent leverage on top of leverage.
The most important thing now is for governments to require financial institutions to be much clearer about what they actually have on their books and what they are selling. Transparency is the name of the game. You cannot have trust if borrowers and lenders simply do not know the value of pieces of paper that have promises on them. Either government is going to bail out and subsidize and insure, or government is going to regulate and make the system honest.
These investment banks are currently having a downtime, but this does not mean the end of the investment banking industry. It will again generate profits in the future. The industry will grow again as it has in the past.
People still need to have their assets managed, people still need advisors. So a good percentage of Merrill Lynch business will remain. There will be plenty of investment deals in the future to provide corporate lending and financing - it’s not dead.
You can also be assured that all the kings horses and all the kings me are coming together to make sure this thing stays together.
The mess gets cleared up and the markets carry on and progress further up. It’s just plain old Economic Darwinism - the strong will survive and the weak will fail. The strong in this case being Bank of America and JP Morgan, the weak being Bear Stearns, Lehman Bros and Merrill..
So realizing this, why do economic and market fears seemingly appear shocking to just about everyone including policy officials, politicians, the media and investors, it’s as if it’s a totally new beast.
No doubt there are a lot of economic problems. The housing and auto industries have been collapsing for the last couple of years, banks continue to write off bad sub-prime loans and wrote down good assets without adequate bids, there have been many months of mild job losses, and real consumer spending has slowed down. And finally there is “fear itself” as seen by the Bear Stearns and Lehman bankruptcies, and the takeover of Fannie, Freddie and Merrill.
What has really collapsed in the last year is not the general economy, or the market, but the aggregate confidence of investors. Fear has been the dominating character of this crisis!
I do recognize the many problems and also worry over their ultimate resolution. I share your concerns around the recent volatility in the markets. However, I think these “challenges” are probably more than adequately accounted for by cautious business behaviors (low inventories, bare bone head counts, and cash-flow rich balance sheets), by amazingly guarded investors (large amounts in Money markets) and by the aggressively stimulative responses employed by the policy officials (injecting liquidity, and keeping rates low).
While there maybe more bad news to come, and certainly there are many things to worry over, I think the “obsession with recession/depression/correction/whatever-ion” is a bit overdone. I believe that the general sentiment is based largely on nightmarish scenarios, which are likely to prove far worse than the ultimate reality. Investors waiting for the “all clear” sign will be far too late. Asset prices (the stock market) in the short term are not established by the underlying reality in the economy, but rather by “perception of reality” or by sentiment. But, in the long term it is the underlying reality that has the largest impact.
The fundamental backdrop surrounding the stock market, the price-earnings multiples are attractive. Despite the crisis, profitability for most companies (non-financials, non-autos, and non-housing) has remained remarkably strong and should improve even more as economic activity recovers. Non-financial corporate balance sheets are healthy, including low debt-to-equity ratios and strong cash flows. There’s also an adequate amount of liquidity being supplied.
I see considerable upside potential in the stock market, because the economic reality will soon show significant signs of improvement and also because current investor sentiment has collapsed much more than actual economic reality. For more than a year, policy officials have been obsessively focused on improving economic and investment outlook. In our view, it is a good bet they will eventually succeed and any perceived improvement in the economy will likely produce outsized returns as overdone fears finally dissipate. We’re entering in my judgment a decade of transparency. Everything will be viewed in the light of what can be seen and how can it be seen.
How bad is it? In US stock market history, has it been this bad before? When, and what were the circumstances? Has it been worse?
It is important to remind ourselves that no one knows what will happen to the stock market from this day forward. The experts cannot agree on what will happen next in important sectors that seem to be influencing the stock market strongly these days (US housing, oil, credit), and no one knows the extent to which the stock market already has assessed the likely developments in these sectors, and factored those assessments into stock prices.
From history’s perspective, in terms of market decline, the bursting of the technology bubble in 2000-2002 was worse.
The current market is the kind of market downturn that we as investors must expect and factor into our investment decision-making. It is unusual, but it’s far from “the worst in living memory.”
After the 1987 stock market crash, when the Canadian market fell about 22.5 percent, it took 21 months to get back to even. After a decline of about 11 per cent that followed the 9/11 terrorist attacks, it took the Canadian market 47 days to recoup its losses.
In August 1998, during the Russian financial crisis, the S&P/TSX composite fell more than 20 per cent. It then gained 109 per cent over the next two years.
So, will this decline continue to get worse, or will stock prices begin to improve soon? Unfortunately, there is no way to know. Stock prices could continue to go down, or they could begin to rise again.
We can take some comfort from our diversified approach. For example, while the financial company stocks have suffered most severely in this decline, our exposure to them has been limited, especially because of our exposure to utilities and our equity portfolios, while they have declined, have declined far less. We can take comfort in the knowledge that we have managers that have gone through markets like this many times before and succeeded after them. We can take comfort that almost every time after events such as these the markets have been higher five years down the road. Twenty years ago we saw something similar with Drexel , today it is Merrill’s time. We rallied back strongly from Drexel and we’ll recover from Merrill.
The Canadian banks are well capitalized and well run. What we are seeing is a disturbance to the financial system as a result of some investment banks getting into difficulties in the US. What we have is a bubble bursting, and whenever a bubble bursts it is extremely uncomfortable. We saw that when the dot coms collapsed.
There are lots of observers making assumptions that they shouldn’t. Do we really think the banks aren’t taking steps to strengthen their capital position? A rumor is still a rumor. Period.
At this point it’s easier to be pessimistic, the non-financials are still strong - you still need to shave and brush your teeth and for these you need to purchase consumable products.
One thing I have learnt is that capitalism is extremely resilient, and it is about destruction as well as creation. If you look at previous financial crises they worked themselves out within a year or two: the Russian debt default; the collapse of Long Term Capital Management; the end of the dot com bubble. All were dramatic, but all of these had little profound long-term effect.
Today’s environment is not as scary as it seems. This is a time when a certain steeliness and common sense needs to be reasserted. A year from now I believe we will be looking at a much improved position
When will the markets start turning around? Maybe next year, maybe next week.